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Ion Mittler: Look at the human
N u d i t y
This section of the book contains seven surveys or researches, whose topic is people’s attitude to nudity, in the presence of either the same or the opposite gender.
Q01 Does the gender of a medical doctor matter?
Noteworthy comments concerning other topics
Basic information of the survey
Suspected experiences of sexual harassment
Other experiences that caused anxious feelings
Strongly negative attitude toward the opposite gender
A bit more negative attitude to the opposite gender
Approving attitude toward the opposite gender
Q01 Answers as a data table
The title of this question was: “Does the gender of a medical doctor matter to you, if the inspection is intimate?” The surveys were published 28 july 2022, and answers were taken into account until 11 august 2022.
Women participated in this discussion much more actively than men. Answers were received from total 102 women, 17 men, and 17 persons whose gender is not known. This report focuses on such answers only, whose writer’s gender is known with satisfactory probability. In the freely flowing discussions, people mentioned e.g. these aspects:
https://www.vauva.fi/keskustelu/4745879/onko-laakarin-sukupuolella-sinulle-merkitysta-jos-tutkimus-intiimi B, published 28 july 2022: https://keskustelu.kaksplus.fi/threads/onko-laeaekaerin-sukupuolella-sinulle-merkitystae-jos-tutkimus-on-intiimi.2632780/ C, published 28 july 2022. Administration of the forum removed the discussion and banned my account on 29 july 2022, for having published this question: https://keskustelu.pakkotoisto.com/threads/onko-l%C3%A4%C3%A4k%C3%A4rin-sukupuolella-sinulle-merkityst%C3%A4-jos-tutkimus-on-intiimi.136948/ D, published 28 july 2022: https://keskustelu.suomi24.fi/t/17511103/onko-laakarin-sukupuolella-sinulle-merkitysta-jos-tutkimus-on-intiimi E, published 28 july 2022: http://forum.hevostalli.net/read.php?f=9&i=8781704&t=8781704 Wording of the question: “If you have some intimate ailment, which requires an examination of the genitals, anus (or for a woman: breasts), and there are two queues at the medical center: a two-hour queue to a medical doctor of the same gender as yourself, and a one-hour queue to a medical doctor of the opposite gender: which queue would you choose? // In other words: Does the gender of medical doctor matter to you, so much that you would queue for an hour longer to get a doctor of your own gender to treat your intimate ailment? // Another further question: Have you ever in life felt bad while visiting a medical doctor, because there was intimate nudity during the treatment, and the doctor or nurse was of the opposite gender, and you experienced the situation as inconvenient? What was that situation like? (It is also possible to answer: It has happened, but it did not bother me at all.) // It would be nice if you clarify what your gender is, so that we will see whether the attitudes on this topic correlate with gender in some way.” Suspected experiences of sexual harassment In these stories the patient or third parties have gotten such a perception that a finnish medical doctor has required a patient of the opposite gender to be undressed merely for the doctor’s own entertainment, and in quite rare cases the doctor has also touched the patient’s body in intimate areas more than would have been necessary, what comes to medical procedures. Several female respondents of the survey regret that she did not have the courage to protest to the medical doctor his actions, when a male doctor asked her to take the brassiere off (and in two cases, even the underpants) while listening to the lungs or the heart. None of the narrators mention having filed a complaint to any official authority. The tellers of these stories wanted to refrain from consenting to nudity, but they did not have the social courage to question the medical doctor’s authority. They felt being uncertain about the moral acceptability of the situation, because they did not know the ordinary conventions in medical care, with which method and how dressed certain procedures are usually performed. For this reason, even glaring and sexually motivated deviation from ordinary practices usually does not lead to protesting on behalf of the patient, at the moment when the scenario is happening. Some of the narrators have afterwards asked for an opinion from acquaintances, or searched for information on the internet, how things are usually done in medical care. A clear subjective perception of the moral acceptability or reproachability of the situation was formed to many narrators only later on, when the situation had already passed. The patient who interpreted herself or himself into the role of a victim of sexual harassment does not mention in any of the stories that they complained about the incident to any official authority. The patients are generally in the perception that nothing can be done about these things, such a rule or law does not even exist, which the medical doctor could be proven to have breached, neither does such an authority exist in the society, which would be interested in handling concerns of this kind. The validity of such perceptions is supported by the three stories, in which an entire working community in a health care center seems to have been aware of a male medical doctor’s habit to treat female patients as objects of sexual interest, who are systematically asked to get undressed more than would be necessary, and more than the same doctor asks male patients to be undressed. All co-workers knew, and for that reason the medical doctor was even given a nickname that refers to his erotic predilections toward the patients, but nevertheless apparently nobody ever filed a complaint to any authority. In comment E 111 the female narrator describes the actions of a male doctor still afterwards rather as “funny” than morally reproachable. One might imagine that in the #metoo era, and after the scandals of the Catholic Church, a safe haven would no longer exist in the society for systematic sexual harassment or abuse of people. A culture of silence and belittling seems to prevail in health care, however, which on the other hand is a quite logical continuum to the fact that in this field the patient is not philosophically acknowledged to have hardly any rights to avoid mixed nudity in the presence of medical personnel. When rights are not acknowledged to even exist, the psychological ground is fruitful for having an equally belittling attitude to violations of the patient’s rights, as to the philosophical existence of these rights. In various parts of Finland (and any country in the world) seems to be found some medical doctors, whose actions would meet the criteria of crime, if any other person in the society were guilty of similar actions. The benefit of doubt is in the medical doctor’s favour in the unclear circumstances, because precise guidelines do not exist, by which method the examinations are allowed to be done, and how much the patient can be asked to undress in each situation. In many stories a male medical doctor has asked underage or adult female patients to take the brassiere off, sometimes even the underpants, in order to listen to the lungs or the heart. These procedures are possible to perform without asking the patient to take even the shirt off, and according to story E 124 some female doctors indeed have such a convention, as they do not have a motive based on sexual desire to see the female patients as scantily dressed as possible. The youngest persons in these stories are in their early teenage, 14 years of age. None of the persons participating in the discussions have apparently felt at an age younger than this a grief as a customer of medical care, which is so remarkable and of a moral nature, that they would reminisce about the incident still as adults, years or decades later, as has happened in the cases that these stories tell about. [D 77 W] I was a first-time birthgiver in a teaching hospital. I went to amnioscopy before the birthgiving, to one doctor. Soon stormed in 6-8 heads of male and female students of my age, to take a peek at my pipe, without asking permission from me. That is in my opinion absolutely wrong, even outrageous. [Another very similar story D 80 is ranked in the category “other experiences that caused anxious feelings”. The story D 77 was assessed into the category “suspected experiences of sexual harassment”, because a large number of third parties, who had no role in the treatment of this patient, arrived to see the nudity of the patient unexpectedly and without asking the patient’s permission in advance. Anywhere else in the society such a convention might meet the criteria of sexual harassment, but in health care it is “business as usual”. The patient is not regarded as having rights, what comes to nudity. There is an even grosser convention in United States, that those who are studing to become a medical doctor have the legal right to practice examination of the genitals with the body of any person who is under anesthesia, without the patient having any need for such a procedure, and the patient is usually not even told even afterwards that this has happened. Volunteers could be found as practice samples, if we agree about the price, but such thinking has come to prevail in the field of medical care that patients are the property of the students as test rabbits, almost without even asking, and in any case for free.] [E 97 W] I would like to have a medical doctor of the same gender, and so I have done too. I have chosen a later time just because of the medical doctor’s gender (woman). I feel a female doctor to be safer, additionally they can possibly identify with the ailments through their own experiences. Let it be mentioned that I am bi, so the reason for avoiding male doctors is not that I would regard men as uncomfortable for some reason based on sexuality. // In youth I have felt myself uncomfortable because of a male medical doctor. … The reason for the visit was not an intimate ailment, but the doctor referred to a very intimate thing, and with his talkings expressed insulting opinions about women. [The story E 97 is a borderline case, does it belong to the category “suspected experiences of sexual harassment”, or to the category “other experiences that caused anxious feelings”. The medical doctor has apparently said something very improper, which according to today’s laws might even meet the criteria of sexual harassment.] [E 102 W] Earlier I thought that gender does not matter, but nowadays I have the opinion that I will no longer go to a male doctor. The reason is that a male doctor tells to take the brassiere off, and comes behind my back to hug and breathe on my neck, and tells me to lie on my back as he strokes my stomach with his fingers. (Allegedly palpated, but it is not stroking with fingers, and that stroking was not palpation.) And tells me to lower the underpants, so he can better listen to the heart sounds. … Although I don’t receive an answer to why the underpants are an obstacle when listening to the heart sounds. And then the doctor snatches my underpants down, held my underpants down, at the same time moving his fingers in my labia, and tapping the pubic mound and the labia with a stetoscope. // … This is an elderly male doctor at OYS [Oulu University Hospital]. For some strange reason no female doctor has ever told me to take the brassiere off, and has always managed to listen to the heart and lungs, even if I had the brassiere on. And no female doctor has come at the examination desk sitting behind my back, stroked my back with fingers, and at the same time breathed on my neck (and meanwhile did not even listen to anything with the stetoscope). Nor has told me to take the underpants off, or even pulled my underpants down by force. And no female doctor has ever tapped the pubic mound or the labia with a stetoscope. [The criteria of a crime are quite obviously met here, because the medical doctor undresses the patient despite her reluctance. That is, without consent. For the other details the situation would be judicially clearer, and legal protection of the patient would be stronger, if a guideline existed with clear limits, how heart sounds are listened, and how much the patient is allowed to be told to undress for this procedure. Then it could be proven that the medical doctor has acted against the legally valid conventions.] [E 111 W] It does not matter [the gender of a doctor]. I have been visiting a male gyne for years, whom I chose based on his knowledge. … Female doctors easily generalize their own experiences. If something does not hurt themselves, or they get no side effects from pills, it surely applies to all women. // Once upon a time we had an occupational health doctor, who was an overly enthusiastic listener of the lungs. He got a nickname “Shirt-Off-Familyname”. Even this mostly just made me laugh, as he was otherwise a good medical doctor. [Such stories arose in the discussion E only, that there is a male doctor at some health care center, who is known in the whole working community with a nickname that refers to his habit to get female patients systematically undressed more than would happen according to the usual convention. When one person had mentioned such a story, two others told that they know a similar story. One of these does not even take a morally reproaching attitude toward the matter. The probability for people to tell such stories that they know about seems to increase, when someone has first started a discussion about this specific topic.] [E 112 W] [In reply to message E 111:] The same with us, but at us he was Shirt-Off-Firstname, that is, Shirt-Off-Pete. Was otherwise a good medical doctor, but indeed he got the shirt undressed from every woman (never from men, unless one went to the appointment specifically because of a heart or lung sickness) even if the reason for visiting the clinic were a sprained ankle. And wanted specifically to listen from inside the brassiere “the heart sounds”, although to my knowledge they are not listened THROUGH the breast, nor from the areola. // And I know a first-aid nurse and one medical doctor (men), who have commented menstrual pains: “I don’t really know what kind of treatment you would need, as I don’t have personal experience about endometriosis/menstrual pains.” … But many female doctors then think that some matter of the gyne side cannot be painful/scary, when it does not cause her pain, or she is not afraid of that procedure. // In specific matters I go rather to a female doctor. Regarding some matters it it makes no difference, and regarding some matters I specifically want to a certain qualified male doctor. Ultra of the breasts was done twice to me, and both times the doctor was a man, and both of them were really matter-of-fact. [Similarly as in story E 102, also in this story the habit of the male medical doctor to regard female patients as objects of sexual desire has advanced so far psychologically, that he is not contented with admiring the scantily clad bodies of patients merely in the context of ordinary examination activities, so the doctor has invented ways that differ from the customary practice to touch the patient’s body in as intimate places as possible. Yet in such a way that the benefit of doubt due to unclear circumstances remains in favour of the medical doctor, and he believes to be safe from punishments of any kind, should a patient ever complain about it. The only effective way to remove the judicial “benefit of doubt” from the medical doctor, what comes to such sexually motivated caressing of the breasts, would be a clearly defined guideline, which forbids listening to heart sounds through the breasts or by pushing the stetoscope under the brassiere.] [E 124 W] In intimate matters definitely a female doctor. There are no bad / painful experiences of them either. But our former occupational health doctor was also a Shirt-Off-Patrick. And it felt disgusting, when one had to bend down and crawl in underwear, lie on the desk, as he examined e.g. the mobility of my hips by bending my legs in every direction and separated. In that situation it didn’t cross my mind to say that those could have been performed equally well with the trousers on. // Not widely I guess, but those certain guys. I didn’t invent that nickname myself either, it is the work colleagues who said, when I wondered about the examination a bit. Our SOP [Shirt-Off-Patrick] is said to get (or at least attempt to) the shirts off from nearly all female persons, even if you go to show an elbow or knee. Because “thoroughness”? And no, in order to listen to those heart sounds it is not necessary to take that shirt completely off, as long as one lifts it so much that it will not hit the stetoscope or the tubes! (Female doctors really know how to do this too.) [The narrator of this story has such a perception that female doctors get their female patients undressed statistically less than male doctors do. If it were possible to establish such statistics, and if the difference were remarkable, it would be indirect evidence of the statistical occurrence of sexual special attention to female patients among male doctors.] [E 125 W] Once at a male doctor. Was a general practitioner. I was 15 y, and I had to visit the clinic to take allergy tests and to make a so-called basic examination, before I began occupational school. That was the only medical doctor who had free times. Approximately 40 – 50 y male person in question. Although the examination did not require it, so he wanted to get me undressed really fully naked. For example underpants were not allowed to leave on. I was alone at the doctor’s appointment, and I was not sure what belonged in the examinations, so I could not say against. And also the breasts one had to get to grope through, so that there is certainly no breast cancer. // What I have discussed afterwards, so this examination should have included like a basic sight inspection (in which direction do the prongs of E point), measuring blood pressure, those allergy tests, and a generic discussion about one’s health condition and so on. There should not have been any need for groping the breasts or to require getting undressed fully naked. [Also in this case the habit acquired by the male doctor to regard female patients as objects of sexual desire has already advanced very far psychologically, and the medical doctor is not contented with the female beauty that is available to see in the context of ordinary examination activities. The doctor examines the patient’s breasts, although it is not included in the reserved examination, because he wants to caress the breasts of this woman. He also requires the patient to be undressed naked, although there is no need for that concerning the examination, because he wants to admire the naked body of the woman. In a possible court hearing the medical doctor could explain at least examining the breasts by saying that he wanted to make sure that the patient has no breast cancer. “For the best of the patient, in the name of science.” Concerning legal protection of the patient, it would be necessary that the precise content of the examination is explained in documents that the patient gets to see in advance, so the patient will not have uncertainty about what was supposed to be included in the examination, and how the examination was supposed to be performed practically. A medical doctor should have a strict and legally binding requirement not to examine on his own initiative anything else and by any other method than what is included in the standardized examination according to instructions. If the patient gives permission to extend the examination, compared to what was agreed in advance, this change of plans should be documented, and such changes should be monitored statistically, so that the activities of deviantly behaving medical doctors can be detected statistically.] [E 147 W] To a woman I go in initimate matters. Discomfort I have experienced at 17 years of age, when a male doctor commandeered to take the brassiere off, so he can listen to my lungs. In tears I took them off and the doctor, while listening, also touched my breasts, allegedly moving them aside (B cup, so they certainly were not an obstacle). I would not tolerate such any more, but I was very shy and insecure when young, I trusted the doctor’s word. [This story resembles the case E 102, though with the difference that the patient was not asked to take also the underpants off. Also in this case the patient’s legal protection and self-confidence to defend one’s rights (despite her young age) would have been at a completely another level, if a clear and legally binding guideline had existed, how the lungs are listened to with a female patient, and how dressed, and if also the patient had gotten to see this document in advance.] [A 26 M] The only woman, who has touched my willy in the past 20 years, was a medical doctor. There was nothing wrong in the willy, neither did I go to the doctor because of ailments of the willy, so I guess she just wanted to see it. [This is the only narrative of a man that appears in the discussions, which might involve being the target of sexual harassment within medical care. The text is carefree in style, for which reason it is a bit unclear, how seriously the writer is of the opinion that the female doctor has wanted to see him naked just for fun.] [X 156- W] [A story told by an acquaintance of the writer of this book, which is not counted into the statistics, because it is not included in the answers that were spontaneously received from a specific group of respondents:] When my wife at age 14 went to the health center in Pori because of flu, the male doctor asked her to take the brassiere off. [Ordering female patients of all ages, also teenagers, to take the brassiere off while listening to the heart or lungs, seems to be a convention favoured by some male doctors. Such situations are “consensual” in nearly every story, as the girls or women have agreed to take the brassiere off themselves at the doctor’s request. Only afterwards the patient has come to the conclusion in her contemplations that ordering the brassiere to be taken off had not been necessary nor morally acceptable. Women who have been the target of such a request may tell these stories even decades later. Also this story is more than 20 years old, but the matter has not been forgotten by the woman who experienced it. What comes to the medical doctor, the situation went conveniently and quickly, and the doctor will not remember a month later any more, how many different teenagers’ breasts he has seen and when. The doctor’s ethics does not take a stance on such a question. The patient might not forget the incident ever in her or his life, if she or he believes to have become the victim of a perfect crime, of which the medical doctor cannot be caught, and for which one cannot seek justice from any authority.] Other experiences that caused anxious feelings In the stories of this category, the medical doctor’s actions seem to have conformed to the usual convention, but nevertheless the patient has experienced the mixed nudity that occurred within medical care to be embarrassing or distressing, and has regretted afterwards, possibly even for years or decades, that she or he agreed to the situation. A quite common story is that the patient would have wanted a medical doctor of the same gender, but the doctor was replaced unexpectedly at the last moment, and the patient did not have the social courage to refuse at that point any more. In an unhurried choice situation (days or weeks in advance) she or he would have stayed firm to the original plan and demand, however. Social courage and social pressure often cause the patient to apparently agree to the situation, but in reality she or he anxiously regrets the matter already while everything is happening. Another quite common situation in these stories is that a medical doctor of one’s own gender was not available within a reasonable time or within a reasonable distance, and the patient feels having been forced to act against one’s will (and perhaps one’s conscience too) due to the circumstances. [A 29 W] Some time at the age of around twenty I got a male gyne on the public side. I got to know who the doctor is only when he called. Well, the matter got handled quite neutrally, but it truly was a bit distressing. With a female gyne it doesn’t distress like that. … Some rectum thing would distress even much more, and for that I would definitely want a female doctor. [A 44 W] I definitely choose a female gyne, already just because women have smaller hands than men, so the examination will not hurt so much. Women also know from personal experience how each things feels like, and are more cautious in an internal examination. // My first gyne visit was terrible. I was 16 years, the medical doctor was old, a man certainly past the retirement age already, and I had to get undressed totally nude. Then he came behind that examination desk and squeezed my breasts through, before inspecting the nether end. I really got such a strong phobia for male doctors … so disgusting! [A 52 M] It doesn’t matter. The only time when it has felt embarrassing was when as a teen, in the context of an operation, a catheter had to be put in my urethra, and it was inserted by such a perhaps 25-year-old nurse, who was a woman. I seek to choose the one whom I estimate to have the best expertise, and the appointment can be gotten quickest. [Men’s stories often have a quite nonchalant style, as in the case A 26, which can give the impression that men’s subjective experience of unwanted mixed nudity has been less distressful than in many stories of women.] [A 60 W] Women and older male doctors have expertise, and it is convenient to visit their practices to show even that rear pipe. But young male doctors! Once again one ordered me on all fours on the bed with the butt up, and examined my bowel that way. I was really perplexed, as earlier the examination has ALWAYS been done lying on the side, and this is how it should be done, to my understanding. From whichever porn that young doctor has gotten his learning too. The examination left a really weird feeling for a long time. [A 61 W] [In response to message A 60:] I suffer from a bowel disease myself too, but I must say indeed that it has always been done sideways. It doesn’t matter who the medical doctor is, but an older female doctor appeased me all the time, and told what next, when a male doctor did not say a word what he is doing. [In the story A 60 the patient does not reproach the mixed nudity itself that had occurred, but a suspicion has formed to her that the medical doctor asked her to be in a body posture, which does not conform to the ordinary convention, and which may resemble some posture of sexual intercourse. The patient was left with such a perception that the male doctor wanted to view her nude body in a posture that is as erotic as possible. The patient’s legal protection is certainly very weak judicially in the case of such treatment, because such a guideline does not exist, which would require the medical doctor to use a specific body posture in a standardized examination, or one of several approved postures. The patient would have been spared from pondering about the matter during the situation and afterwards, if she had had information already in advance about the typical and acceptable postures that can occur in the examination, and the posture that was used would have been in the list.] [D 80 W] When I went to the doctor for the first time at the maternity counsel center, there were 6 doctor students, all of them men. I asked what kind of an audience do we have here? If they will not disappear, I will disappear. They left. [The cases D 77 and D 80 are unusual in that sense, compared to most of the stories, that the patient has had the social courage to defend one’s rights, even in the midst of a large crowd of people and in an unexpectedly occurring situation. A more typical story is that the patient does not have the courage to question the authority of even one medical doctor who is present, even if the patient knew that he or she is reproaching the situation already at that moment. The situation described here might be the most common procedure, how a group of students asks for the patient’s permission to mixed nudity. The situation is formed unexpectedly, without warning in advance, and social predominance is formed into the room, six health care professionals that agree with each other versus one patient, so that it would be as probable as possible that the patient will not have the social courage to say no. The patient’s apparent consent in such circumstances does not guarantee that the patient has in reality consented to the matter morally at that moment, or that the patient will be able to accept the incident when reminiscing about it afterwards. The moral definition of consent is blurred by the authoritative position of one party, social predominance many versus one, and the practical need that the decision must be done within seconds without a consideration period.] [D 89 M] As a boy 14 years of age, in the medical examination of the school there was a female doctor, who told to take the underpants off and she examined the jingle bells. It surprised and perplexed, and it left a trauma for decades. [Among the not very many men’s stories, this is the only one that describes emotions whose depth and meaningfulness seems to be parallel with many stories of women.] [E 96 W] I want the gyne to be a woman, no matter how long queuing. Somehow I believe that in those ailments this other woman understands better. There are somewhat peculiar experiences of male doctors. … Male doctor was also the only one, who during examination of the nether end has put fingers in the an… // If there is some other ailment, cancer for example or even a suspicion, then it doesn’t matter which gender the doctor would be. [The story of this woman is unclear, can we assume that the doctor has had a reason related to the examination to push a finger in the patient’s anus. The woman mentions this as a specific detail, which she was left wondering about, was it necessary. The reason for the morally questionable perception, which the patient was left with, could be that her assumption of what such an examination is supposed to include differs from the normal and justifiable convention. For this reason the story has not been ranked into the category of “suspected experiences of sexual harassment”. In the patient’s own imagination this case might belong to that category, however.] [E 106 W] In intimate matters I always choose a female doctor. If one is able to choose, that is. Once I had to go to a male gyne, even though the appointment was reserved to a woman. I didn’t have the social courage to refuse going there, and it was a really unpleasant experience, although I do know that the male gyne has seen many devices too. [E 155 W] The gyne must be a woman. At a younger age I had to take the brassiere off for a male doctor for heart examinations, and it was a very unpleasant situation. Strongly negative attitude toward the opposite gender In these stories people mention many different reasons, why they absolutely want a medical doctor of the same gender in an intimate examination. [A 6 W] I don’t want to have anything to do at all with unknown men. Sometimes one ends up in this, however, and it is really uncomfortable, and fear is always present, even if the matters went completely appropriately. [A 9 ?] I sometimes wonder though, how some male gyne might be at home with the wife. So just like when groping nether ends as a profession, will there be energy left to be interested at home any more? [A 11 ?] One of the same gender, please. [A 15 ?] What can one do but wonder, why some man would specialize in gynecology. Completely sick this is. [A 19 W] Absolutely a female doctor I would want. To a man in the worst emergency only. [A 20 W] I preferably visit a woman. [A 24 W] I don’t go to young male doctors either, to get my drooplings [sagging breasts] assessed. A woman the same age or older it must be. [A 25 W] I want a female doctor, who is not a lesbian, will not ask or do anything inappropriate, and will not hurt. … And yes bad situations have happened with men. With women too, unless there is proper education and instruction. Also the plastic tool was painful. [A 27 W] I am a woman, and I always reserve an appointment to a female doctor, if such is possible at all. Has not been always, there are female doctors, but their vacant times have not been suitable. But definitely rather a woman. [A 31 W] Myself I wouldn’t get such an idea that a medical doctor could do something inappropriate, so it is not about fear. As a woman I would rather take a female doctor, because I would feel embarrassed to open my crotch to a man. … It would be most terrible if the male gyne were approximately my age and good-looking. [A 38 ?] One should pay more attention to this gender matter, this one that a female doctor automatically treats mainly female patients, and a male doctor male patients. [A 42 W] Preferably I would like to have an older female doctor. Not a man, nor a young blusher, whom I will later encounter in the same parties. Always has been a woman too. [A 55 W] In any more intimate matter I choose a female doctor, and if I don’t feel being anything like in danger of life, I am ready to also wait some time longer to get an appointment to a female doctor. [A 58 W] Myself I choose a woman too (and I am a woman), if the examination involves touching in any manner. It causes distress, if one needs to be with an unknown man intimately. And I really don’t assume that I would be somehow in danger. That distress just comes from the spine somehow, no matter how friendly, harmless and tender-handed, young or old the doctor is. [A 59 W] I always choose a woman according to possibilities for a situation, in which one needs to remove some clothes (e.g. gyne, massagist, physiotherapist). A male doctor is ok, if one does not need to take off anything else than the outdoor clothes or a long-sleeved blouse. [A 64 M] It does [matter, a doctor’s gender]. I am a man and I visit a man. [A 66 M] In men’s ailments I always go to a man, because it is difficult to imagine that a woman could recognize them. [B 68 W] It does [matter], but no matter which ailment it is about, if possible then I go to a female doctor. [B 71 W] I will wait even for 2 weeks that I get to a female doctor. For an acute ailment I could go to a male doctor though, but half of the symptoms would probably be left untold, as I would feel so shy. [This persons ponders that quality of the treatment might be at risk due to social fear, if the patient does not feel oneself convenient and neutral in the company of a doctor of the opposite gender. We can also assume that measurements of heart rate or blood pressure are higher, and therefore erroneus, if the patient is stressed about being scantily clothed in the company of a doctor of the opposite gender.] [D 76 W] Without a doubt I choose a female doctor for periodic gynecologist inspections. I like to discuss women’s matters otherwise too at the same time, one gets peer support. Examines the breasts too at the same time. I was so glad when there was a woman as the maternity consultancy and birthgiving doctor. … It doesn’t matter what men think about me, but I detest the groping of an unknown man. [D 79 W] As a woman I want a female doctor. Women understand women’s matters best. [E 95 W] In intimate ailments I go rather to a female doctor, also therefore that it feels more convenient. I believe a woman to know more about what it is about, with the sensations and all, because the same anatomy. Additionally bashfulness. For other visits it doesn’t matter. [E 98 W] For a gyne I want a female doctor, otherwise I favour male doctors more. [E 100 W] A female doctor definitely for women’s ailments. A female doctor has women’s ailments herself too, so she will believe and understand e.g. the aches better. [E 101 W] In intimate matters as a woman I very definitely choose also a woman as a doctor. Intriguing in fact, that I have such a categorical attitude to this matter, although I am not otherwise bashful at all. [E 103 W] Depends on ailment, is it some papa test or cancer examination. But as a general rule, like the previous one said: “Definitely a female doctor for women’s ailments.” … By the way, men don’t grasp anything about menstrual pains. [E 107 W] A young woman the best as a gyne. With them one can find the most of know-how, and they believe in sicknesses, as well as in aches. An old man the worst as a gyne. Belittles aches as women’s ailments and as mental sensitivity. [E 108 W] I have been sexually abused as a child, so I don’t feel myself safe near any man, within groping distance that is. If one needs to get undressed, I want to go to a female doctor. [E 122 W] In intimate matters rather of the same gender, so a woman. This despite the fact that my only male gyne experience left very good feelings. [E 126 W] Men belittle women’s pain, and are always the first to refer to a fault in the head. They regard women as hysterical liars and attention-seekers. So preferably a female doctor, regardless of the ailment. [E 128 W] To a female doctor always in problems of the internal organs, be they of the gyne side or bowels. A male doctor OK in accidents. [E 131 W] I reserve an appointment to the private, where you can choose your doctor yourself. … And I choose a woman for these matters. Also otherwise I have gotten the perception of doctors that women encounter the patient more humanely than male doctors. [E 132- W] So that in one’s aches one should think about equality first? Only a silly white old chap can howl something like that. It is a researched thing that women’s aches are belittled, medicines are tested for men only, the symptom lists of sicknesses have been collected from men’s symptoms. … Men’s symptoms have been made into the norm. [E 136 W] [In reply to message E 93:] This! I went to a male gyne, who inspected his time, and then concluded that it cannot hurt. A female doctor inspected her time, and then concluded that I have endometriosis. It cannot hurt… [E 137- ?] [In reply to message E 130:] This has nothing to do with tolerance or equality. Then it would be, if someone said that one doesn’t generally accept that someone of a specific gender acts as the doctor of a specific gender. [E 141 W] I am a woman, and I choose a woman as the doctor in all matters. … I feel myself more convenient and safer in the company of women. For example, talking to a male therapist would probably not function at all. [Similarly as the narrator B 71, also this person ponders that a setting that is felt as inconvenient in the company of a doctor of the opposite gender, just the two of them, can have an impact on the quality of treatment, if the patient does not have the social courage to be casually one’s own self.] [E 145 W] It does [matter]. Must be a woman. Men have had the habit to belittle absolutely all symptoms, and to mansplain [explain from a man’s point of view] things that one obviously has no practical perception about. This happens on behalf of female doctors too, but less. [The narratives of patients who favour the same gender repeatedly mention reminiscing about the mistakes done by medical doctros of the opposite gender, and possible belittling of mistakes by doctors of the same gender. The setting is vice versa in narratives that are listed further in this report, which emphasize the superiority of the opposite gender as medical doctors.] A bit more negative attitude to the opposite gender In these stories the person would probably choose a medical doctor of the same gender for an intimate examination, if one can easily choose the doctor, but significance of the matter seems to be lesser than in cases of the previous category. [A 12 W] I choose a female doctor, if possible. Though mostly I trust doctors regardless of gender. [A 16 ?] Rather to one of the same gender, as those of the opposite gender seem to often be nervous about the situation. One would not believe, but so at least here around. [A 22 W] As a woman I would feel myself somewhat uneasy, if it were a general practitioner who is a man. Then if it were a specialist of some specific field, who does comparable jobs all day long, the gender of the doctor is not a big deal. [This point of view repeats also in stories A 33, A 41, A 48 and A 53, that some women approve it more easily that a doctor specializing in gynecology is a man, than if a general practitioner were a man, if intimate nudity occurs at the clinic. The idea here probably is that gynecologists see so much women’s nudity daily, that one case more among everything else does not matter much to the doctors. For some women it is easier to accept being just one quickly forgotten case, among countless other similar cases.] [A 28 W] As I have visited a private gyne, I have always chosen a woman, but on the public side there have been also male doctors then. I have not bothered to start picking based on the doctor’s gender, when it is difficult to get an appointment anyway. [A 33 W] Yes, I would like to have preferably a female doctor for the treatment of intimate ailments. I am a fortyfiver woman myself, and I have never been to a male gynecologist. Throwing oneself on the desk is always equally awkward, and I believe that in the case of a male doctor it would be a degree more distressful. // If it were a doctor specialising in gynecology indeed, then the gender would probably not matter so much. As they have certainly seen everything, so to say, and are experts of their field. So at an ordinary health center doctor I would hope for a female doctor. [A 34 M] When at the “clinic” I had to exhibit my penis to a sixtyish female doctor who was fed up with her life, it occurred to me that it would be quite nice if it had been a male doctor. [A 41 W] It doesn’t matter, if it is a specialist doctor of the field. From general practitioners I choose rather a woman, if a gynecological ailment is in question. [A 43 W] Otherwise it has not mattered so. In my opinion men are naturally always tender-handed, with women one sometimes needs to ensure it in advance, and if one forgets, it might hurt. But when after sexual abuse I had to visit examinations many times, I always asked specifically for a woman. [A 48 W] I have visited male gynecologists, and there was a male midwife at my birthgiving. Both experiences were good, nothing to complain about in them, and I could go again too. Nevertheless, if I were going to some random general practitioner in these matters, I would want a female doctor. Especially a young male doctor would surely feel very awkward. // Once I was going to a maternity consultancy doctor’s appointment, when I realized that this doctor was with me at the same christian faith confirmation camp long ago. Fortunately changing the doctor succeeded swiftly, this would have been a bit too much. [In some stories the women emphasize the importance of the male doctor not being any person whom you know, who performs an intimate examination. This would be deemed as disturbing the customary balance of social life, in which nobody usually knows how the acquaintances look like when nude, and this knowledge is reserved among persons of the opposite gender practically to one’s own spouse only. Otherwise the circumstances of social life would get some nudistic aspect involved, with inequal unilateralness, so that only one party knows how the other one looks like when nude.] [A 49 ?] [In reply to message A 48:] A good point that last one. The most important thing is that the doctor is not known to you in other ways. That can be quite troublesome indeed somewhere at the medical center of a small town. [A 51 W] [In reply to message A 50:] If I deem the doctor to be attractive myself, somehow subconsciously I’d hope to be attractive also myself for him. Even if I were reserved, so without any intention to do anything about the matter. You get much tougher pressures to show that device then. [A 53 W] Well as a woman I would rather go to a woman, if I got to choose. But if it were some guru of his field and I could mentally prepare in advance, then it could be a man too. If it is some sensitive matter, then it can be left unsaid if the doctor is of the wrong gender. One does not feel like bending over in colonoscopy for a male nurse and doctor. [A 67 W] I smoothly visit a male sports massagist to get various muscles of my shins massaged (very painful). If there were need for some buttocks, then it would be very weird if a man did it. [D 83 W] When I can choose myself, I choose a woman as gynecologist. Either of them must be chosen. It could be a man too, and at hospitals it usually is too, for some reason. … I have never felt that a doctor were interested in me sexually. The situation and the atmosphere of the situation is against it. [D 90 M] If the penis and testicles are examined, either of the doctors will do. If the ailment is in the anus, definitely a male doctor. The mere thought of bending over for a female doctor makes one feel ashamed. [Some men and women approve such mixed nudity in health care, in which they feel being stylish, but for an examination of the anus they wish for a doctor of the same gender. Perhaps the thought is that if the situation must be so embarrassing and uncharming, let it happen rather with the gender that does not need to regard your body and its appearance as attractive.] [E 93 W] In an intimate ailment it does not matter so terribly … whether it is a woman or a man, who looks if there are swellings in the breasts, or how bad the hemorrhoids are. On the other hand, male doctors generally do not believe women’s aches. One always gets to feel as one were a hysterical, exaggerating WOMAN that imagines her aches, as they seem to think this matter. … With female doctors there are better chances that one gets believed and receives help. [E 110 W] Doctor as a doctor, always rather a woman, I don’t know why. I guess it is easier to speak to a woman. I will not really get distressed or something even if it were a male gyne too, but to a woman I go always, if possible. [E 114 W] Regarding the breasts it makes no difference, is it a man or a woman, but I would indeed queue for an hour longer to a female doctor, if it concerns an ailment of the genitals / anus. If one had to queue 3 hours longer, then I would go to a male doctor. [E 115 W] I am delighted if there is a female doctor for gyne ailments, but a male doctor does not bother either. Indeed I would go to the one to whom I can get faster. [E 116 W] When reserving an appointment to a gyne, I usually reserve a woman, if there is such an option. But if some time there weren’t, or especially if one had to queue any longer because of the doctor’s gender, then that man would do as well. [E 129 ?] It does [matter, the gender of a doctor]. [E 139 W] When I found a lump in my breast, I felt unpleasant to go to an old male doctor. But I had found the lump late on a friday evening, and he was the only one within 150 km radius, to whom one could get an appointment before monday. And it wasn’t that terrible after all, the doctor was very professional. … I don’t think that in future this matter will have such a great importance for me. // However, to a male massagist I will not go any more, unless there are also others in the same space. … It didn’t take more than that one massagist, who started to get a stand-up at two massaging sessions. … That much of a distressful experience, that it was the last time. [E 146 W] Maybe rather a woman in matters of the nether end, but e.g. all radiologists have always been men (ultrasound of the breasts, etc.). So that I have already shown enough of the downstairs and breasts to men, it doesn’t feel amazing any more. I deem good language skills to be more important. [E 148 W] The gender does not matter at all. Only the competence. … If I had some very strange pain, for whose sake I would go to a gyne, then yes I would maybe pick a woman. But only because it might perhaps be easier for her to understand, being with the same equipments, what kind of pain I mean, at which location, and what it might mean. [E 151- W] In the opinion of some it is more important, what comes to equality, that female patients would go with equal willingness to the care of male or female doctors, than that female patients would be listened to and treated in the same way as men. [E 152 W] Very young male doctors/students are a bit distressing. And no, they really have not seen everything yet. [E 153 W] In principle it feels more convenient with a female doctor, but in intimate ailments I have always been given a male doctor only. They have always asked if I want a female doctor, but it has indeed meant that one either needs to wait for a longer time, or then to go to the health center of another town, so I have chosen a man instead of a woman. Approving attitude toward the opposite gender In these stories the persons approve, or even hope, that the medical doctor is of the opposite gender in an intimate examination. [A 1 ?] A matter-of-fact, discussing and listening type is the one, with whom I want to treat my ailments. Unfortunately some 95% of doctors are not capable of this, be the gender whichever. [A 2 M] At least for me it feels more natural to get undressed in front of a woman than a man. [A 3 M] Once I had to go and show the penis. I chose a female doctor. [A 4 ?] It doesn’t [matter, the gender of a doctor]. [A 5 M] For examination of the penis definitely a female doctor. I one can wish, then mrs. doctor would preferably be with the parties bare, if you understand what I mean. [A 7 W] There is probably nothing so special in my intimate places, that adult people wouldn’t have already seen something comparable with others too during their life. [A 8 ?] No [difference in the gender of a doctor]. [A 10 W] Young male doctors are a group to which I consciously will not seek to get, even concerning inflammation of the lung airways. [I have] a poor self-esteem, so it feels like they assess that what an unattractive young woman there is here. In fact it doesn’t matter so much, who performs and what, as long as they are experienced. [A 13 W] Earlier I thought that examinations of the nether end will succeed with a woman only. Then we went to fertility treatments, and my gyne was an absolutely amazing man, who managed to produce a baby for us. So nowadays it doesn’t matter at all. I admit that getting undressed in front of a woman is somehow easier mentally, but I don’t mind a male doctor. [A 14 ?] Expertise is decisive, gender does not matter. [A 17 W] As a woman I choose rather a male doctor. … When I have sought help for absolutely intolerable menses, female doctors have nearly without exception told that it will get better after the first pregnancy. Although it is so that I have never wanted children. [A 18 W] I have quite much similar experiences. [Referring to message A 17.] [A 21 W] I guess I have visited a male gyne more often than a female gyne. The best ones have been men. [A 23 M] At the health center nearly all doctors are women of the younger side. … They have probably seen men’s organs from edge to edge already. If one’s penis happened to wake up for some reason, it is not strange in any way. [A 30 W] Rather a male gyne. I don’t want another woman to grope my nether end. [A 32 W] I will spread my stinking nether end for a male doctor only, let them sniff there then. [A 35 W] Both a male and a female doctor have made e.g. an internal examination to me. They felt just the same. It matters more, whether the doctor is experienced enough and emphatic enough. [A 36 W] Education of the doctor matters more. I will not go to an ear doctor due to an acute gynecological ailment, be it how much of a woman ever. [A 37 W] Well I as a hetero woman will rather show my nether end to a man. Female gynes are somehow more judgmental. Also the internal examinations have always hurt more when done by a woman than by a man. A woman is a wolf to a woman. [A 39 W] It doesn’t matter, is it a man or a woman. But it matters, is it tender-handed. [A 40 ?] Incredibly many seem to imagine that someone first seeks to study in the medical school, completes the demanding entrance, studies for years, and then years more in order to specialise, and all this only to get to grope someone’s device. That all this studying were only an excuse for getting into the matter itself. [This writer has an argument that seems logical as such, but facts concerning people’s life cannot be reliably clarified through such deduction. We cannot deduce that the neighbour’s car is certainly red, because his or her favourite colour is red. The only way to know the colour of the neighbour’s car with certainty is to go and check the situation at their parking lot. The way of thinking suggested by writer A 40 will more probably hinder than help the clarification of facts, because the argument motivates one to believe things blindly, instead of verifying the facts in practice.] [A 45 ?] It makes no difference at any point, whether the doctor is a man or a woman. A doctor is a doctor, nothing more nor less. … For doctors it is one merriment and the same, what kind of a patient it is otherwise. [A 46 M] A female doctor probed my prostate through the rectum. I was stressed about it beforehand. As such it went more smoothly than I would have believed. [A 47 ?] [In reply to message A 1:] Oh, for me it has been completely vice versa, though. Precisely just and only with a doctor can one talk about one’s sickness fully appropriately, without exaggerations and without belittling. Maybe because when a doctor always purely looks at the patient from a medical point of view. [A 50 ?] 1. Women constantly assess other women. For what reason does it not bother at this point, but elsewhere at the forum it does bother, even quite often? This is a quite interesting thing. 2. If a male gyne were good-looking, then why would it be any more of a problem than if he were a monstrosity close to retirement age? [A 54 W] Fallout of the rectum was operated for me, when I was a bit over 30 y. A female gyne operated. A male doctor student was observing. They did ask though, can he be present. As it is, learning there was that one. [A 56 ?] By the way, a male midwife can be a gay. [A 57 M] A doctor’s gender makes no difference. [A 62 W] The opposite gender [I would choose], even if the “queuing time” were twice longer. … Because according to my experience men treat the customers well, unlike women. Women are often rough-handed, and can be even violent. I have not felt bad about it that I was asked to undress all clothes. It perplexed, but I understood when it was argumented. In front of a doctor the patient is not sexual, unless it is a doctor that treats sexuality. [An addition later:] But to a male massagist I would never go. Massage is intimate. [A 63 W] The best gynecologists are men. [A 65 ?] A young man can be very enthusiastic. Fusses, messes around, is forgetful. [B 69 ?] If I am sick, then I go to the doctor. [And an addition later:] And I continue yet, I go to a specialist doctor of the field, for whom my ailment is guaranteed to be familiar. [B 70 M] Rather a female doctor, even as I am a man. [B 72 ?] As long as the one is cis-binary. [B 73 M] A doctor is a doctor, but if possible, I always choose a female doctor. For ailment as ailment. If a situation occurred some time, in which the doctor would need to grope my balls, a woman’s hand would be much more pleasant – in fact it is easy to imagine the situation as exciting. From female nurses I have already received pleasant handling of the nether end indeed. [B 74 W] Gender doesn’t matter. And I’m a woman myself. [D 75 ?] A doctor is not interested in a human except as a patient, although some women sometimes think to be as if somehow as objects of attention. Therefore, laughable that picking and sexualizing in a doctor/patient relationship. For myself it is one and the same, if the doctor is a man or a woman. As one operates in the care sector oneself, one knows that it is only their job. [D 78- ?] There it can be seen, what prejudices are. Groping? What a comment that is there. That male doctor will not grope you in any different manner than a female doctor. Both have the same education, but some think tough things of themselves. And what if your female doctor is a lesbian, and “gropes” you, because you seem to say a clinical examination to be groping? [D 81- ?] Have you thought, why the doctor students are there? Strange, when one doesn’t give a chance in practical teaching. [D 82 ?] I definitely choose an older doctor who is known to be good. For me it is just the same, is the doctor a man or a woman. The main thing is that he or she knows and can treat that very ailment that I have. Luckily, when using private health centers, choosing is possible based on the symptom / sickness and the expertise of the doctor. [D 84 W] For me (as a woman) is just one and the same, of which gender the doctor or nurse is. The main thing is that it is a qualified one, and the doctor can a lot of one’s field, and there is no need for any “women’s matters” there. [D 85 ?] Doesn’t matter, as long as one speaks perfect finnish language with a finnish accent. [D 86- W] [In reply to message D 85:] Precisely so, this is an important criteria. And can be even other-gendered, or genderless. [D 87- ?] But people cannot be discriminated based on gender! So the doctor’s gender doesn’t decide anything. [D 88- ?] [In reply to message D 87:] Right so, it is professional skill that is the most important one. [E 92 W] The gender of a doctor doesn’t matter to me. … I will get more acquainted with the doctor’s fields of expertise. [E 94 M] If one needs to grope the balls, I hope that it were a woman. [E 99 W] I am a woman, the gender of a doctor does not matter at all. [E 104 W] Does not matter. Has not mattered at all when younger either. [E 105 W] The gender of a doctor does not matter, but male doctors often belittle women’s ailments. [E 109 W] I am a woman, and male gynes have been very good. Even that way around, that a female gyne would have forced me to keep a womb full of myoma. A man said right away that let’s cut it away. [E 113 W] Doesn’t matter at all. I have indeed reserved an appointment to a male gyne. Gynes have seen that much many devices, that there is nothing to see in mine. [E 117 W] Otherwise doesn’t matter at all, but I want to tell one good experience of a male doctor: A wanna-man at the neurological of TaYS [Tampere University Hospital] did an extensive ENMG inspection to the upper body. … As the last thing was examined some nerve-and-muscle thing, which goes under the brassiere, and then the bra had to be taken off. He had agreed already in advance that there will be female nurses then. … It was very nice that this doctoral man took into account my possible discomfort without requesting, although I am not very bashful. [E 118 W] Some time when young, I ordered a female doctor, when one had to grope the nether end. Well, the doctor asked a male nurse for help anyway. We chatted some bar things with the nurse there, and since then I have not minded about the gender. [The medical personnel has apparently made the assumption here, that mixed nudity must be acceptable to the patient. The situation ended well, because the patient reacted positively to the matter. If the patient had reacted negatively to the unexpected presence of the opposite gender, this story would be found under a very different category.] [E 119 W] Regardless of queues I would choose a male doctor, because they don’t grope in a rough-handed or painful way. There are unfortunate, painful experiences of females. [E 120 M] When younger, I felt embarrassed. Now when older, it is nice if a female doctor happens to be easygoing, quick-witted, and says against. [E 121 W] No, the gender of a doctor doesn’t matter at all. Usually even male gynes are much more “tender” than female gynes. [E 123 W] I always go to a male gyne. Female gynes have always been so sour, and about mense aches they have just pointed out “pain belongs to womanhood, tolerate it!” And examinations have been done in a very rough-handed manner. Male gynes on the other hand have been tender-handed, maybe precisely because one doesn’t know how it feels like, so they are careful yet a bit more. [E 127 W] It doesn’t matter as such. I usually visit the private, and because I can choose the doctor, I choose based on skills, description, outward appearance and feeling. At the public it doesn’t matter, and anyway if the matter is urgent, I take the first appointment. [E 130- M] I counted for my fun, for how many it matters, and for how many of the respondents not. 40 messages. 20 replied that it does, 14 doesn’t matter. The rest mumbled their own things. So this is how tolerant and respectful of equality the crowd is here. [E 133 W] It does matter. I go to a man, if I can choose, because there are bad experiences of female doctors. Male doctors on the other hand have always been appropriate, and taken seriously. Have been to a gyne, pin doctor, and many other doctors too along the years. [E 134- ?] I am really a bit surprised by these answers. I guess I am naive then, when I’ve believed that one shouldn’t make generalizations based on gender. … A good doctor is a good doctor, and a bad one is a bad one, regardless of gender. [E 135 N] To a gyne I have been two times, both of them happened to be also women then, and I would in fact rather go to a man, because I have heard that they are more tender-handed as an average in their examinations. [E 138 W] Gender does not matter. Then the exception: in women’s ailments someone else than a blushing brat of a boy, who then anyway himself reserved quickly an appointment to another doctor for me. [E 140 W] Doesn’t matter. … And in fact, like this as a woman, the experiences of internal examinations done by male doctors are much better. [E 142 W] Well for me the gender of a doctor doesn’t matter. Both male and female doctors have treated me equally well. [E 143 W] A couple of decades of aches, and [at a male doctor] to mini pills with the first diagnose, and the menses and aches completely away. Female doctors, to whom I had complained about the aches, had always given just stronger painkillers. [E 144 T] [trans man] Doesn’t matter at all. From both genders have come so strange comments, and on the other hand also appropriate behaviour, that I have not noticed that gender would matter. … All doctors don’t have any knowledge of how to relate to trans persons, but on the other hand I understand that e.g. at my health center some doctor has not necessarily ever treated a trans-gendered person. [E 149 W] Just the same in principle, but I have met more bad male doctors than bad female doctors. Mostly just that men don’t want to listen to symptoms, or are just not interested. [E 150 W] Gender doesn’t matter. Although with my own experience male gynes have been remarkably more accurate in their work, and have listened to me better than female gynes, some of whom have decided already when seeing the face that there is nothing wrong with me. [E 154 W] Mostly male doctors have treated me, and I have never gotten bad service. Q01 Answers as a data table Columns in these data tables: OS only the same gender as oneself is acceptable PS preferably the same gender as oneself DM does not matter PO preferably the opposite gender OO only the opposite gender is acceptable SH suspected experience of sexual harassment OA other experience that caused anxious feelings WH worried about the possibility of harassment SJ worried that same gender as oneself is judgmental OJ worried that the opposite gender is judgmental CO feels or does not feel “convenient” EE assumes situation as erotic and wants to evade it AE accepts the possible eroticness of the situation HE hopes that the situation would be erotic NE assumes the situation to be surely fully neutral QU quality of treatment is the primary choice criteriaAnswers of men (17) id OS PS DM PO OO SH OA WH SJ OJ CO EE AE HE NE QU 2 M M 3 M 5 M M 23 M M M 26 M 34 M M 46 M 52 M M M 57 M 64 M 66 M M 70 M 73 M M M 89 M M M 90 M M 94 M 120 MAnswers of persons whose gender is not known (16) id OS PS DM PO OO SH OA WH SJ OJ CO EE AE HE NE QU 1 ? ? 4 ? 8 ? 9 ? ? 11 ? 14 ? ? 15 ? ? 16 ? ? 38 ? 40 ? ? 45 ? ? 49 ? ? 69 ? ? 75 ? 82 ? ? 85 ? ?Answers of women (102) id OS PS DM PO OO SH OA WH SJ OJ CO EE AE HE NE QU 6 W W 7 W W 10 W W W 12 W 13 W W 17 W W 18 W W 19 W 20 W 21 W W 22 W W 24 W W W 25 W W 27 W 28 W 29 W W 30 W W 31 W W W 32 W 33 W W 35 W W 36 W W 37 W W W 39 W W 41 W W 42 W W 43 W W 44 W W W W W 48 W W 51 W W W 53 W W W 54 W 55 W 58 W W W 59 W W 60 W W W W 62 W W W 63 W W 68 W 71 W W 74 W 76 W W W 77 W 79 W W 80 W W 83 W W 84 W W 92 W W 93 W W 95 W W W W 96 W W W 97 W W W 98 W 99 W 100 W W 101 W W 102 W W W 103 W W 104 W 105 W W 106 W W W 107 W W 108 W W W 109 W W 110 W 111 W W W 112 W W W 113 W W 114 W 115 W 116 W 117 W 118 W 119 W W 121 W W 122 W 123 W W 124 W W W 125 W 126 W W 127 W W 128 W 131 W W 133 W W 135 W 136 W W 138 W 139 W 140 W W 141 W W 142 W 143 W W 145 W W 146 W W 147 W W W 148 W W 149 W W 150 W W 152 W W 153 W 154 W 155 W W WAnswers of trans-gendered (1) id OS PS DM PO OO SH OA WH SJ OJ CO EE AE HE NE QU 144 T
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